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Author Topic: A note about eyepieces for entry level telescopes  (Read 1134 times)
MistrBadgr
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« on: January 07, 2010, 03:37:02 PM »

As part of a project to explore the capabilities of entry level telescopes that many young people recieve as a gift, nominally 60 and 70mm refractors, I decided to just see what was the availability of eyepieces for them.  The scopes come with two or three, which is enough to enjoy astronomy.  However, eyepieces are like tools in a tool belt.  Each one is used for a little different purpose.  Therefore, most people will end up purchasing a few more (in my case many) as time goes on.  Most people will end up using anywhere from three to five during a particular viewing session, depending on the rest of the equipment and what is being observed.

Normally, these entry level scopes come set up for one of two possible sizes of eyepieces, 0.965 inch (fits into a 25mm ID focuser), and the current standard 1.25 inch. 

With the 1.25 inch telescopes, the eyepieces that come with the scope are generally of reasonable quality.  They may, however, be modifications of older designs to keep the initial cost of the telescope down.  By using this size, just about any of the modern eyepiece designs can be had to provide eyepiece performance good enough to push these entry level telescopes to the absolute limits of their capacity.  For most of the modern eyepieces, it would be questionable to make such a purchase.  The point is, it can be done.  A second point is, any eyepieces purchased plus the ones the small scope came with can be used on just about any telescope of greater size, quality, etc.

For introductory telescopes using the 0.965 inch format, the eyepiece selection is very limited.  A common design for eyepieces found in this size are Huygens.  This is the first multi-element eyepiece design and can be considered the beginning of eyepieces in general.  This design was a great breakthrough for astronomy three and a half centuries ago.  You will normally see an H in front of the focal length number for Huygens.  A modified version is called Ramsden.  These will be seen normally with an R or an SR in front of the focal length number. 

Eyepieces with an F in front are better with three elements.  I suspect these are a modified form of Kelner.  These should be good for entry level scopes as will Modified Acromats (MA) and a few others.  This is about the limit of eyepieces that might be found with the 0.965 format telescope as purchased.  These were the cutting edge for general viewing until the the fairly recent development of development of plossls.

With a little searching, I did find that Antares produces a line of Super Plossls for the 0.965 telescope.  They are actually 1.25 inch eyepieces that have been fitted with 0.965 barrels.  If someone would like better eyepieces for the small format, they can probably be ordered through any company that carries antares products.  Antares lists seven distributors, I think, in the United States and 23 in Canada. (It is a Canadian company) I looked on the website of each of the listed US distributors and found only one that listed the eyepies and the price. 

I sent an email to Hands On Optics asking if they actually stocked these eyepieces and if they were any good.  Sherry Hand promptly replied that the did stock these eyepiece on their site, the price was $20 each, and the reports she was recieving from purchasers were positive.  Anyone that might be interested in these can go to www.handsonoptics.com get into the section of Antares products and look on the last two pages. six and seven, if I remember correctly.  This is the limit of what I found of eyepieces in the 0.965 size.

The point of all this is to advise you to purchase a telescope that uses 1.25 inch eyepieces if at all possible.  You can use any eyepieces you purchase with telescopes further down the line.  Any 0.965 eyepieces you purchase cannot be used later unless you make some kind of special adaptor for them.

Hope this helps and does not confuse or discourage anyone.  The real point is to enjoy and learn about the sky.  The particular equipment is just details.  The fun stuff is yet to come in this series.

Bill Steen
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 09:54:11 PM »

Those were some very good points that you touched on.My grandsons scope has the 0.965 on his and I always wondered about that size. As for mine,it has the 1.25,I find it good to have an assortment of at least 3 eyepeices for the time being and will probably add more later.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2010, 06:14:29 PM »

I have been looking for MH eyepieces that come with new offerings of the NG-60 and NG-70 telescopes.  These are the fully manual versions of 60 and 70 mm entry level refractors.  I had purchased an older Polaris version of the 60mm with 0.965 eyepieces and a more modern version of the 70mm, but not the latest.

I finally wrote someone I know at Meade to find out if MH eyepieces were available and told him what I wanted to do with them.  He said he thought he could find me some spare MA eyepieces, which I offered to pay for.  A few days later, he sent me an email saying that a package was on the way.  When it arrived, it was a nice plastic box of 5 MA eyepieces that had been offered with a DS-2090AT-TC refractor package for Costco.  The set includes 25, 20, 17, 12, and 6mm eyepieces.  I was quite surprised at recieving that kind of thing and again offered to pay for them.  The return reply was that he knew I would put them to good use.  With this little narative, I want to give credit where credit is due and say, Thank you!

I took the scopes out for a test run to check them out.  I was actually surprised at how well they all worked.  The 1.25 inch eyepieces really worked well.  They have about a 50 degree apparent field of view....at least I could not tell any real difference between them and my super plossles.  The view through the 0.965 eyepieces was better than expected.  The problem with them was field of view.  I think saying that it was 40 degrees is being fairly generous.  The most obvious difference between either size of these introductory eyepieces compared with higher level eyepieces is coatings. Meade plossles have good multi-coatings.  The introductory eyepieces do not.  With Jupiter, I had some trouble with reflections when observing Jupiter.  However, I will talk about what I could see and not see in another post.

I later found an MH-9 for sale on eBay from Telescope Warehouse and a 9 mm MA, which is not in the set.  I purchased both and now have them in hand.  I hope to make a comparison, to the best of my ability, between the MH-9, MA-9, SP-9.7, and my 5000 series plossle 9mm.  Due to overcast skies, this will happen later.

I guess the message from all this at present is that the 1.25 entry level eyepieces seem to be good when one considers the perspective.  The big thing to avoid is a scope with 0.965 eyepieces if you can.

Bill Steen


 
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2010, 02:53:36 AM »

The modified achromatic (SMA) eyepieces work well with beginner telescopes and in the USA, I think you can get Plossls with a .965" fit.
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